January 24, 2007
Why Netflix Still Kicks Blockbuster's Ass

LAist has been a subscriber to Netflix and until today, Blockbuster Online Total Access. Today we were canceling our subscription to Blockbuster Online and it prompted the question, “Why are you canceling today?” Since we were only able to give them a 255 character answer, we decided to write a post here to fully explain why they fall short of being a good service.
First, we never received the movies we wanted from the top of our queue. The first movie on our list at the beginning of the month was Amores Perros. The first movie at the top of our list at the end of the month was Amores Perros. The entire month its status was “A short wait”. Well, we’re done waiting.
Blockbuster Online acquired an unanticipated 2 million subscribers last quarter, and has failed to keep up with the demand. We were roped in by the Total Access program, which supposedly never leaves you empty-handed since you get free new release rentals in-store. When you actually go to the store however, everything is checked out and you end up wandering around looking for anything to rent. I don't want to rent a Steven Seagal movie or American Pie 5. What the hell is the point of free in-store rentals when there is jack shit available in the store? Garbage.
Third, it took forever to receive our movies. From where I live they get mailed from a distro center in Santa Ana, so it takes around 2 days to receive your movies… usually. One week we didn’t even receive any movies. Netflix’s turnaround is 1 day, not 2. In theory, Blockbuster never leaves you without movies. Wrong. In practice, Netflix kicks Blockbuster’s ass.
Fourth, the recommendation system is a joke in comparison to Netflix. We have no idea what type of algorithm they are using over at Blockbuster for their recommendation system but it is useless. We took the time to tediously rate 493 movies in their system, which then recommended 200 movies back to us. And by a shot in the dark, we were interested in seeing 6 out of those 200 recommendations (which were added to our queue). We'd like to think that if anyone randomly named 200 movies, we would be interested in more than only 6 of the ones he or she mentioned.
What the hell were those movies it was showing us? Is their system based on showing you movies that are available because no one is renting them? How is it that we can give a movie like Raging Bull 5 stars, and then in turn be recommended Men in Black? If we go see Children of Men for example, and then log on to our account and recommend it, right away we should be suggested another Alfonso Cuaron flick, like Y Tu Mama Tambien -- or maybe even films made by his friends like Amores perros by Inarritu or The Devil’s Backbone by Guillermo del Toro. Sadly, we resorted to logging in to our Netflix account just to search for movies to rent with our Blockbuster Account.
Fifth, the way in which you search for movies is lacking. You can only search by movie name or actor. How about date range, movie studio, genre? Nope. You can of course, use their categories to browse movies (80’s, horror, etc). But the movies listed under each category are pathetic. Most of the movies are so far from worth watching that it feels like you’re wading through the $5 DVD bin at Wal-Mart.
The only insightful part of the Total Access experience was the easy-to-find “Cancel My Subscription” button. Bravo on that.
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yeah but if you wanted that movie on the top of your list and it was Netflix, you would never have the option of being tired of waiting, and going straight to a physical location to either bitch and moan, or grab the copy yourself.
yes that might defeat the point, but to me that's what blockbuster is selling, not just another online service.... but an online service that has the capability to provide the customer with an actual place to go when the internet option is failing you.
i see your points in the other areas of the service that you didnt like, but i still think that when I felt betrayed by netflix, i had nobody to scream at. and i always hate that.
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Well thanks for tipping them off to the "Cancel your account" button. They will probably move it now and make it impossible to find in order to "retain" customers.
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I have not used Blockbuster stores in the UK for 10 years now.
They were without doubt, the worst company I have had to deal with.
They never have what you want in stock.
I got accused of not returning items which I never even rented.
I rented a game console and was accused of not retuning it, once may have been excusable, but three times?
Dont bother complaining to Blockbuster customer services staff, they just ignore you.
BLOCKBUSTER_SUX
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When you actually go to the store however, everything is checked out and you end up wandering around looking for anything to rent.
So a BlockBuster store is useless (because it doesn't have what you want whenever you get there? Strange!
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I will have to agree and disagree with you. I certainly have had my fair share of problems with Blockbuster in the past. Now I would rate them 7.5/10, which isn't bad. I would give Netflix the same rating from my experiences with them.
Both companies keep movies "in waiting" at the top of my queue. But Netflix has always had a four to five day turnaround on my movies and I live in a city that hosts one of their shipping centers. I would have been happy with two to three days, but after a couple months I had to cancel. Blockbuster ships my next movie the same day I turn the old one back into the store.
As far as getting movies from Blockbuster, things have gone pretty smoothly. I keep my queue full of movies that are always available and can usually find the unavailable stuff in the store. Also, I always plan it so that I have movies to return to the store on Tuesday and never have problems getting the new releases.(of course, I usually go in the morning)
Searching for a movie and the recommendation system for Blockbuster is crap. If you don't know what you want, defiantly go with Netflix, their recommendation system is excellent.
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You points are very weak. Your point about recommendation algorithm is STUPID. You dont know what kind of movies you like, you have to have a computer pick one for you? Also, I had Netflix for about 6 months and they NEVER had a 1 day turnaround , only at beginning. They have a very careful formula they use to make sure your shipments are delayed so they make money.
At least with BB, I can go to the store and return my movies immediatly and get new ones. With NF, if a movie arrived broken or scratched (which happend frequently btw) I had no recourse but to send it back and wait.
In my opinion, BB kicks NF ass, how do you like that?
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Devil's backbone is a great movie, and Blockbuster is using the Amazon recommend engine which doesn't base recommendations on similar plots/directors or themes, but rather based on what people bought - so a few people that bought Men in Black may have bought some of the other movies you had rated.
It sucks because the majority of people have really bad taste in movies, so you'd end up getting a lot of recommendations for low rate movies that the majority likes, rather then movies of quality that are suited to what you like.
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Where do you get your information? Blockbuster does not ship movies out feom their store. They have many shipping stations spread out across the US. Also, Blockbuster has a free rental e-coupon each month that they still have for each account holder. That allows you to rent a game if you choose. Games are 7.99 for 5 days. Not a bad savings for those that would like to rent a game once in a while.
Netflix throttles shipments so you get only a certain amount a month... Keep on drinking the kool aid buddy... I'm sad to say, but having tried both services, for the price and value... big ole' corporate Blockbuster has come out the winner here at this point.
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The stupidest thing that Blockbuster's service did during the one month I was a member was to send me "series" discs out of order, as if I was going to watch Disc 5 of "Lost: The Complete Second Season" before seeing the first four in my queue. Netflix never did that, and it's one reason why I'm still subscribing.
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One thing that I did not like about this rant is the fact that I do not believe that this guy is giving Blockbuster a fair chance. I have NEVER been to a Blockbuster store and they have NOTHING! Yes they may not have New Releases well... because they are new releases and everyone wants them. But seriously this guy went on talking about movies I have never heard of let alone seen: Amores Perros and The Devil’s Backbone, no wonder this guy couldn't like anything in the store. This guy would be more suited for a mom and pop movie rental place (assuming they still exist). Blockbuster is in it to make money and believe me I'm sure more people have seen Men In Black (a great movie BTW) than Amores Perros!
Shame on you for such a shotty rant! Here is a word of advice for you that you failed to realize when you started your 'experiment' is that if the Blockbuster store near you doesn't carry your movie or only has one copy that they rent out, they are not going to magically GROW titles or a larger quantity of titles just because you signed up for an online movie rental service with them!
I know 3 personal friends (not 'guys I work with' or 'guys I know') that LOVE the Blockbuster system. Not to mention the fact that you can essentially have an extra movie out per movie you rented as the ones you get from the store with the coupon do not count towards your 'online' rentals. Also you FAILED to mention that in addition to what Blockbuster gives you up front they also give you a monthly coupon that is good for ANY rental IN STORE... meaning a movie OR a game! Let's see Netflix do that.
I agree about the search and how it should be expanded but that is a small blemish to the service as obviously as stated you can use the internet (which you are ALREADY ON if you are adding movies to your queue) and use IMDB, Google or any other resource to search movies and then you will have the title to find in blockbuster. Again that is why I stress that the search feature is a 'small' blemish on the service.
No Digg!
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I agree with ncnetdude above, although I have to admit that I haven't ever used Netflix. But at this point I have no need to. My blockbuster movies have never arrived late, I get one free in-store rental for every mailed one, plus I get a free game rental coupon every month.
My wife and I were watching more movies than we possibly needed on blockbuster's basic $10 (USD) program. Now that they've effectively doubled the movies I can rent with Total Access, (plus added the game coupon remember), we have more entertainment than we will ever use until we have kids or become permanent couch vegetables.
On top of that - I enjoy the experience of going to the blockbuster store more than browsing online. In the store I usually find titles to rent that I never would have normally picked online. Granted, often the latest box office hits are out .
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that's too bad, i rent A LOT of movies and watch them on the train during commuting. i watch them so fast, that netflix delayed my shipments by upwards of 4 days!!! blockbuster has been amazingly fast. i do agree that the site needs a bit of work though.
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hey,
i have to disagree with this. I have had both netflix and blockbuster, and while neither system is perfect, I have been much happier with the Blockbuster service. The biggest reason is throttling. When I had netflix and rented several movies in a month, the next month i only received movies approximately every two weeks. With blockbuster, I get movies at least every other day, and I have the option to exchange them in store. While i agree netflix has a larger selection and a slightly better user interface, blockbuster at least sends me the movies
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My fiance and I joined Netflix and Blockbuster at the same time to see which was better. We chose Blockbuster as the winner because
1. They deliver on Saturdays, while Netflix does not.
Yes, we also agree that the search/recommendations website for Blockbuster is lack luster...but the fact that the movies were delivered on Saturdays won us over. We have also started to notice that movies have been moved lower in our list when there is a 'short wait', but it doesn't bother us that much.
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You are an idiot. I have NEVER received netflix in one day, average 3 days. Blockbuster does not ship from their stores, and I get mine in two days from blockbuster. (I live in Colorado Springs) Free in store rentals are probably going to suck on a Friday or Saturday night, yes, duh, get over it and go there on a Mon - Thurs and you usually will find what you want. I don't even want to comment on people who let the website pick movies for them. And don't even start talking about how Netflix carries more of the 'hard to find' movies; yah if you want to watch Japanees Rape Cartoons?
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i stopped using them about 8 years ago when they accused me of not returning 2 movies i rented. they managed to find one of them "on the shelf" and apologized for that but refused to acknowledge the other was returned at the same time. they then sent me invoices for the extra rental period, once it hit £20 .. they then decided to hire a Collection Agency to recover the "debt".
After that I never used them.
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i've had both, and my vote is for blockbuster. netflix throttling was the reason i left them, and blockbuster's in store return policy where you pick up another movie is the reason i'm staying with them. and i've never had a problem getting a new release at my blockbuster.
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Gamefly has a deal with the post office who scan the envelopes as they come in so they know to send the next one out. It cuts the down time almost in half, I don't know why they haven't done this yet.
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I get Netflix deliveries on Saturdays, what podunk place do you live?
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You sir are an idiot. You sound like a PS3 fanboy. Just because the service you are wasting your money with sucks, your ego is too big to admit it.
I get 9 movies at a time over 3 accounts (1 I'm actually paying for). Plus every one of those, I can return for a free rental in-store. In addition to that, 3 total free-game rental included.
You complain because Blockbuster can't recommend you proper movies? If you are such a know it all movie buff, you should know what movies you want.
Enjoy your rant on your crappy blog nobody reads. You are only convincing other Netflix die-hards not to cancel their Netflix membership that would be considered blasphamey if they did anyway.
So continue to feel good about yourself. At least the 4-week trial was free anyway...
...you did sign up for the FREE trial right? If not, you're an even bigger moron than I had previously thought.
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Blockbuster, ftw. I don't need recommendations. Yeah, their website is weak and a resource hog, but I don't care. Exchange movies in store and get two free game rentals per month? Pwned, Netflix.
No Digg. Buried, in fact.
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I've had both services, in my book Blockbuster is the clear winner.
Netflix is all great at first, but once you hit that 4 or 6 month mark with them... seems like they would only mail out about 1 movie a week... then when you shipped them back.. it took them 3-4 days to get it in. With is total shit, the place it was being mailed to is only 45 min. away... should be there next day, early morning.
Blockbuster I've had for almost a year now. I admit it is flawed in several aspects, but overall far superior than Netflix. Sure, the rating system sucks... but who cares. I personally wish they would just do away with the suggestion feature of each service. I personally love the "free in store rentals" from blockbuster. I can almost guarantee myself the new releases when they come out. It also makes it handy while watching a tv show on dvd, that way you dont' have to wait 3 or 4 days to see what happens next, you can just go to blockbuster and get the next disc.
But wait.. Netflix is now offering "streaming" movies... who gives a shit... this is a poor attempt to battle the great service offered by Blockbuster.
Netflix is not the "God of online movie" rentals... they are mediocre at best.
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Great article. The last place I want to set foot in is a Blockbuster store. It's no fun looking through their limited selection and then having to wait in line. Returning movies at a store is simply no value added. And now that Blockbuster is closing stores left and right, it only increases an already inconvenient and unpleasant experience.
Blockbuster has permanently lost many customers due to their late fees and predatory practices against the small mom & pop video stores of yesteryear. Maybe the mom & pops were dinosars, but now Blockbuster is the dinosaur -- with one foot in the grave and another on a banana peel.
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The recommendation system on Netflix is the best! We got to watch amazing movies based on Netflix recommendations! Movies like Amelie, The Tunnel, Nowhere in Africa, Dear Frankie wouldn't have been on our radar if it wasn't for Netflix. We had grown tired of the garbage Hollywood was spewing out and Netflix restored my love for movies. I wouldn't trade it for anything else. We don't have much time to watch movies theses days but I've kept my Netflix membership alive because I don't want to let go off of such a wonderful thing. I guess if you have a discerning taste in movies, Netflix gives you the opportunity to expand your horizon. Netflix gets my thumbs up!
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I have to say I LOVE my Blockbuster Total Access account. I think it's a great service and have had no problems at all.
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I tried Blockbuster Online before the Total Access thing started. Although they had some movies that I couldn't get from Netflix, they amount of time it took to get movies made me not want the service. Our local Blockbuster never seems to have anything good on the shelves and sometimes they won't even carry a lot of the controversial movies. As much as people complain about Netflix, I still have no reason to switch or cancel.
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This "article" is so full of inaccuracies.. Let me debunk/refute your points.
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"First, we never received the movies we wanted from the top of our queue."
You NEVER received movies from the top of your queue? NEVER? I have. Don't act like this NEVER happens with Netflix. Second concerning this point, Blockbuster tells you why some movies at the top of your queue might not ship first/right away..
"Whenever a rental slot is open, we review the first listing in your Queue to determine whether or not it can be shipped from the closest distribution center to you. If the title is not available at this center, the system automatically searches for the requested title at other distribution centers throughout our network. If the top Queue selection falls outside of an acceptable shipping window, we will ship a title that falls lower in the queue. This process helps you receive more titles each month, based on anticipated shipping times, and allows you to experience fewer delays."
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"We were roped in by the Total Access program, which supposedly never leaves you empty-handed since you get free new release rentals in-store."
Supposedly never leaves you empty handed? Supposedly? I think your wrong here. I am never without a movie with Total Access. Your alos missing the point! "since you get free new release" is where I think you went wrong. It's for ANY movie in the entire store AND video games. Total Access means you will never be without a MOVIE, they didn't say you'd never be without a NEW RELEASE! I bring in my mailers and pick out any movie in the store. You are after all signed up for Netflix to watch movies....
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"Third, it took forever to receive our movies. They mail them from Blockbuster stores, so it takes around 2 days to receive your movies… usually."
Again, your making assumptions based on God knows what. "They mail them from Blockbuster stores". You ARE retarded. Secondly concerning this point, my movies come in 3 days, usually less. Not to mention I bring the mailers into the stores to watch movies while I'm waiting for them to arrive in the mail...and I get movies on Saturdays...
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"Fourth, the recommendation system is a joke in comparison to Netflix. We have no idea what type of algorithm they are using over at Blockbuster for their recommendation system but it is useless."
Blockbuster's might not be all up to snuff, but seriously, if your counting on ANY algorithm to match movies for you, ...your retarded.
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"Fifth, the way in which you search for movies was an even bigger joke. You can only search by movie name or actor. How about date range, movie studio, genre?"
You have me here. Their site is a bit lacking in this department, however they just updated their site and I expect it will improve. After all, I don't think they put up their site, stand back going, "Alright, it's finished!". How do I get around this? I use Google/Wiki/IMDB to find what I want. I also browse the movies on their site. My queue has over 150 movies in it.. I'm not in short supply of coming up with movies, I'm in short supply of time to watch them all.
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You need to stand back and understand why Netflix and Blockbuster Online exist. Firstly, the service is to rent movies. Secondly, it's to have the movies delievered to your house. Each is there for a certain type of person. If you want movies, Blockbuster is clearly the way to go. You will end up getting FAR more movies at the end of the month than with Netflix. If extensive movie searching and a complex recommendation algorithm are what your looking for then I'd choose Netflix. If you want movies delieverd on Saturdays, choose Blockbuster.
Granted, Netflix has now come out with movies on your computer via streaming, but I will put money that Blockbuster will do something like this sooner than later...
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I've tried both too. I liked netflix's selection better. I never use either systems recommendation (and with more than 200 movies in my queue I don't really plan to.) Blockbuster seems to get my selections out of order too, even though they all say "available."
With the new Total Access system I don't seem to be getting my movies any faster. If I turn a movie into blockbuster, I don't get an e-mail saying they got it until the next day, and then they don't send a new one until even the next day.
The in-store rentals is the only reason I stay with Blockbuster. I have absolutely no problem finding movies that I want to get at the store, and they usually have new movies in stock.
Were I to move to an area where it wasn't convenient to go to the store, or the store nearby was lousy (as the one near the writer seems to be) I would absolutely go back to Netflix.
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I've had both and, so far, Blockbuster is better. Why? Because I can take my mailers in and trade them for movies in the store. I like being able to walk around and look for obscure gems.
But my local Blockbuster stocks a shitload of movies and the only ones that are usually unavailable are the shitty first releases that mostly suck anyway.
I liked Netflix -- but it had its "short wait" problems, too. And yes, sometimes I got the movies in a day, but the faster I turned them back in, the slower the service got. Hell, I think they even got busted for delaying service to heavy users (don't quote me on that).
The Total Access thing makes a huge difference.
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I've seen more movies using my Blockbuster Total Access account in the last 2 weeks than I saw with my Netflix subscription in the last 2 months. No, I didn't see Amores Perros, but I did see the entire season 1 of Deadwood, Taladega Nights, the entire season 1 of Famly Guy, and 5 or 6 other films. Somebody must be spoiling this guy because he sounds like a brat who goes crazy the instant something doesnt work out the way he wants it to.
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I think they both suck. You need to get the Blockbuster Monthly pass what lets you keep two out at a time, all the time. You go to Blockbuster on Tuesday or Sunday and all the new releases are in stock so there's no wasted rentals. Then, if you want some esoteric movie, you subscribe to Nexflix for $10 and pull one at a time.
You really have to play both to get the best deal.
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I had netflix for one month. In that month they sent me 2 broken DVD's and 1 DVD wasn't even the one I ordered. I switched to blockbuster and they've never given me a problem. Yeah, theyre online system is a little rough around the edges but THEYVE HAD THE SERVICE FOR ONLY A YEAR, NETFLIX HAS BEEN ONLINE ALMOST 10 YEARS. Obviously blockbuster has more money, more recognition, and more room for making netflix users switch.
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Netflix is terrible and had a large lawsuit against them because of how scandalous they really are. Blockbuster sends movies much faster and allows you to always have a move and not have to wait 5 days. I think this blogger is working for Netflix because he obviously doesn't know what he is talking about. Netflix has to do all they can to keep customers from going to the best. Blockbuster is the winner by far.
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Tried both - Blockbuster is faster in Central CT. DVD in home mailbox on Tuesday = Thursday delivery of new title. If DVD is put in local post office "bluebox" before noon, I have a new title by Wednesday. If I really want a new movie for Tuesday night, I drop it at the local Blockbuster, rent another movie and have a third by Wednesday. You can't match that speed with Netflix.
Recommendations are a joke, but use another online source to discover new movies and you'll be fine. Intelliflix should also be part of the discussion. I've used them as well and they are starting to come around. For a cheap alternative, they're not bad. Not nearly as quick, but usually a 3 day turnaround which is fine if you join the 2-at-a-time or 3-at-a-time club. AND. . . it's much cheaper than Netflix or Blockbuster.
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I DON'T want "far more movies at the end of the month" if they are not good movies. Didn't you flaming diggers understand the article?
If Blockbuster doesn't have good movies to offer in the store, what good is a damn free rental? And second, if they don't have the movies I want available online, then what good is the service altogether? You guys keep coming back with "I have 9 dvd's in my hand, how about the netflix discs in YOUR hand?" 9 DVD's of what, exactly?
Movie watching is not about quantity, it's about quality if I'm not mistaken.
And second, I was told by a Blockbuster employee that they ship from stores, and guess what? THEY DO. The warehouses augment the rare movies that are shipped from the store.
And for the record, Blockbuster does edit movies. The version of Requiem for a Dream that they stock is edited for content, and same with the movie Audition. Quit denying it.
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My wife and I really enjoyed Netflix two years ago when we lived in our apartment, so we decided to try it again last month. In the three weeks that we used it, we checked out 9 titles. Three of them arrived with only the top part of the sleeve (no discs - in fact, in our first batch of rentals, two were like this), one arrived broken, and another showed up but would not play. So we canceled and got BB instead. The turnaround for Netflix was a bit quicker, but with BBs in-store returns it doesn't really matter. Plus, our location seems to have a pretty good selection. No complaints here, Blockbuster wins hands down. As a bonus, the employees at our location are really nice.
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I have used both services recently, and, like the reviewer, I canceled my Blockbuster account for basically the same reasons. He's absolutely right about both the algorithm and the browsing method that Blockbuster's website uses - They are horrible. Netflix's recommendation algorithm and website layout, however, are wonderful. I rated about 60 movies, and their algorithm consistently returns movies that I am interested in seeing. Browsing their website is also a breeze. I will continue to use Netflix's service in the forseeable future, and I will probably buy some of their stock.
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Different strokes for different folks we will all have our differences. I too have been screwed by Blockbuster. Once I didn't even get the movie that they stated they sent out, do you know how much it cost me? Over $20. For a movie I did not receive!!! I transfered over to Netflix and I couldn't be happier. The first movie that I put in my que was listed as a "short wait" yet when I went to my mailbox (the very next day) sure enough it was in there. They are faster then Blockbuster and as far as being able to go into the store BIG DEAL. That is why I signed up for a ONLINE service. That way I don't have to deal with the no movie selection, crap that blockbuster has.
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