April 30, 2007
Dear Coachella,

You know we love you, but we think it's time for us to break up.
In the last two months LAist probably had more stories (38), pictures, and videos about Coachella and its artists than even Pitchfork, Stereogum, or the LA Times. But unlike those fine publications, we also gave our readers tips on how to best enjoy themselves, where to eat on the drive in, how to get into secret shows, and we even made a mix tape.
However after Friday night, we sold our tickets for Saturday and Sunday's shows in the parking lot for a deep discount and vowed never to come back until either things change drastically (which we highly doubt from the hugely successful festival that has now expanded to two weekends to accommodate country fans during next weekend's Stagecoach), or until we become filthy rich enough to afford it.
Our first mistake was leaving the house at 2pm and thinking that the 132 mile journey from Hollywood to Indio wouldn't take more than four hours. Ha! It took 6 hours which meant we missed a bunch of acts including the reunited Jesus and Mary Chain.
Fair enough, our bad. And it was our bad that all the parking near the event was filled, so we hiked two miles from the parking lot in the dust field and curved around this place and that place and then alllll the way around the front parking lot to get searched. We had never been groped so, uh, completely, in all our concert-going-days.
Do people coming to see Bjork headline a show need such a once-over? We were later told by people who arrived as the gates opened that the lines to get in at that hour were heinously long, mostly due to the tight security.
But the last straw came when we were confronted with the $7 slice of pizza.
Now it's true, we are a tad older than the typical demographic that Goldenvoice & AEG probably market to, so maybe the kids today are used to being bent over and fucked in the ass with a $7 slice, but we aren't. Especially after driving in the heat, and paying hundreds of dollars for tickets, and being given the alternative of a $6 wooden stick with some chicken on it.
Don't get us wrong, LAist has love for Goldenvoice, AEG, outdoor festivals, Indio, capitalism, and the free market, which is why we will do our best to restrain ourselves in telling all of them where they can shove their $7 slice, and just leave it to the idea that maybe we're just too old for this shit.
However, what kid has $7 for a slice?
Now the hotel situation in Palm Springs is so bad with $99 rooms going for three- and four-times that price, which means that unless you want to spend $600-$1000 simply for lodging, you either commute from LA or pitch a tent.
And if you're cool with paying someone $45 to let you camp out on their grass in an area where you cant bring in your own booze and you have to park miles away to haul your crud to the campsite, then you truly are a more evolved person than we are. And you probably dont have the high tolerance to alcohol that we do, or the habit of drinking as much as we do when we camp.
Do we love the bands? Of course. Coachella brings great bands. We wouldn't have picked the Red Hots, but you could do a lot worse. We'd like a tad more hip hop and metal, but we understand how that might attract an element that, well, actually would tell you where to stick your $7 slices.
We love the crazy art, we love the crazy shit to play with and trip out to and eat shrooms around and stare at. We love the vibe and the people who attend.
It's just a royal pain in the ass to get to, stay at, and afford.
So we're out.
Fortunately we live in a city where we can see these bands any number of times in much more intimate venues that aren't outside in triple digit temperatures.
See ya in the pit,
LAist
photo of the Do LaB (top) courtesy of The Do LaB, photo of Bjork by Susannah Tantensapya via Buzznet



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spicy pie was only $6/slice. ACK!
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festivals are annoying in my opinion. in chicago we have pitchfork, (intonation last year), lollapalooza (holy 1992), and various bar sponsored concerts all around the city.
true you can get to all of these places on the train and if you want to leave you can just walk to a local bar, but the amount of money, time, heat (chicago gets hotter than l.a with all our humidity), crowds, outrageous prices and lack of a consistent supply of alcohol unless you want to spend a 100 dollars on cheap beer or mai tais, i reccommend one opt just to stay at home or hit your local pub and play the jukebox.
have a corona and be glad you're home, laist.
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Amen! Boy was I glad I didn't go when my friend called Friday morning at 9 am to tell me it was 101 degrees there. I've been every year except this year and honestly, I haven't enjoyed the festival since 2002.
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Did the same thing. Left at 2 pm - got there at 7 pm - managed to catch most of Jesus & Mary Chain but missed Amy Winehouse.
Truthfully I want to go back but with the hotel prices (yup, I'm a tad out of their age bracket too) has me worried. I'm not about to spend $700 bucks on a 3 day trip to the desert y'know ?
Parking was parking. I had to hike to the outskirts but it wasn't too bad - I wish they had better ways to mark the parking lot. Balloons are nice but I didn't see the number etched on the side when I first walked in.
And yes, the pizza slice price surprised me too but I was so hungry I eagerly paid to gobble down the spicy pizza.
So not sure really what to do for next year yet.
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seriously that is just the reason why i skip almost all festivals except SXSW, at least there you aren't confined to one place with a huge set of rules..
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Thanks for the warning Shawn. I'll make sure to skip all festivals except SXSW.
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Scheduling: Anyone dumb enough to leave L.A. at 2 pm on a Friday, expecting to waltz into Coachella at 4 pm, deserves what they get. It's not like Friday afternoon LA/desert traffic patterns -- or the long lines to get into the venue -- are a big secret.
Hotel: You can get cheaper rates if you reserve a room as soon as the festival dates are first announced, instead of waiting until the hotels jack up the rates as the big day approaches.
Food: There were dozens of food choices. If you don't want to pay $7 for pizza, how about trying something else? Also, where do you eat in LA, that you pay less than $7 for lunch or dinner?
Parking: Coachella really must do better about this. Maybe they need to consult the people who run the Hollywood Bowl about how you can get that many people into and out of a confined space, without forcing people to walk miles in a dust storm, or wait two hours to get in or out. Remote lots with shuttles? Jet-packs? Something.
But even with all its inconvenience, Coachella delivers. What's good about it so far outweighs what's bad about it, that it's not even a contest.
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kir,
1. when did i say that i expected the 2 hour drive to be 2 hours? in fact i believe i say i predicted it to be twice that. and why would i assume that? because this wasnt my first trip to the desert for this
2. hotels - most cities have the maximum amount that they will charge for a room posted on the back of their doors and its no more than double what they normally charge. the areas around coachella have decided that ultimate gouging is more up their alley. and if you think that i didnt get sticker shock months before this event, youre doing a bad job of reading my mind, again.
3. food. if one slice of pizza is your idea of "dinner", then no wonder you have no probs defending coachella. some of us consider a slice a snack.
as for Coachella delivering, i never said it didnt. it just comes with a hefty pricetag that most of us in LA don't need to shell out since we already get pretty much everything this festival "delivers" anyways.
now if this were BF Idahoist perhaps i would jump through more hoops and pay the piper, but since this is LAist we have options.
and yes, i understand that lots of people enjoyed themselves and would do it again and again. but at some point they will tap out, and this was our year.
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Last year we did Coachella in a Rented RV. That was the way to go... way cheaper than a Motel, way more civilized than camping by tent, and we had fun socializing with all the loons in our RV park. Even had a pool and showers. Some enterprising locals in a pickup truck charged the RV parkers $5 for a water bottle and a ride to the festival.
I've also learned I have a lot more fun skipping the hot afternoon sun and early acts and going way later in the evening around 6 or so. Sure, i may miss a few things, but it's the only way I can endure doing it all over again the next day.
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thats a great tip alex!!
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i'm too old for that friggin pit at the main stage... people were beyond crazy in there ... pushing and shoving and making it 10x hotter for no reason ... i definitely agree with you about just watching these bands at our wonderful venues in LA ... if there is anything i love this city for, it is that
the food was overpriced, but i didn't really expect much differently ...it didn't taste great, but it kept me from passing out
the parking situation was the worst I have ever experienced ... none of the parking attendants had any idea what they were doing... they kept directing us in circles until we realized that they did not even have the proper lot open yet
finally, don't hate the red hots just because YOU have seen them 80 billion times ... they are a hugely popular band with a growing fan base; a setting like coachella gives everyone else a chance to experience them ... plus, they always rock it
overall, you are right... coachella is a great festival, but there is way too much crap to put up with
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Sorry, I misread your time schedule -- you did expect a 4-hour trip, not a 2-hour trip. But 4 still sounds low to me for a Friday afternoon, since you can count on 1-2 hours parking at the site.
There were meals available for $7-8, not just slices of pizza. But who goes there for the food?
Relatively inexpensive hotel/motel rooms were available on Expedia and other travel sites until a few weeks before the show.
Lastly, re: "it just comes with a hefty pricetag that most of us in LA don't need to shell out since we already get pretty much everything this festival 'delivers' anyways": Of course we can [and do] see multiple acts on multiple nights in smaller venues in L.A., and spread out the driving/parking inconvenience, ticket and food costs, etc. But Coachella is a different thing. It's an opportunity to see 6 or more acts in a day, or 12 in 2, or 18 in 3, surrounded by 60,000 people, in one of the most beautiful settings of its kind in the world. It's not either/or. They both have their place.
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i am dumbfounded at this posting. i LOVE going to coachella and have had a great time going for the past 4 years now. this year being no different. first up:
Our first mistake was leaving the house at 2pm and thinking that the 132 mile journey from Hollywood to Indio wouldn't take more than four hours. Ha! It took 6 hours which meant we missed a bunch of acts including the reunited Jesus and Mary Chain.
ok that's just PLAIN STUPID. if someone said "the movie starts at 10:05pm, would you leave your house at 10:05?" i don't think so. the friday coachella line-up started at 2pm. don't bitch because you didn't plan accordingly. there is a thing called RUSH HOUR TRAFFIC.
And if you're cool with paying someone $45 to let you camp out on their grass in an area where you cant bring in your own booze and you have to park miles away to haul your crud to the campsite, then you truly are a more evolved person than we are.
i guess i am more evolved because if you've ever camped at coachella you will see how fun it is and the enthusiasm people have at the campsite. not to mention the campsite is RIGHT NEXT TO THE VENUE. so you don't walk MILES to get to the venue. moreover the parking is RIGHT NEXT TO THE CAMPSITE. so once again, you are exaggerating. and i found plenty of parking arriving thursday night. and my friends who arrived saturday night also found parking easily as well as my friends who arrived sunday. you are just saying that because you are IGNORANT to the situation.
$7 slice of pizza
i guess you've never been to any bar, amusement park, or fair in your life. i don't see how paying $7 for a beer at hollywood bar is any different than $7 for a slice of pizza. suck it up and deal.
lastly, if you were to price out the 9 bands i saw on friday, it would cost more than $100. so in that regard, coachella is a deal.
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"It's just a royal pain in the ass to get to, stay at, and afford.
Fortunately we live in a city where we can see these bands any number of times in much more intimate venues that aren't outside in triple digit temperatures."
Yeah, but say you see five of the gazillion coachella bands all separately in smaller venues. You still have to battle evening LA traffic (anyone remember the MESS getting to the Shins/Belle & Sebastian show last summer?), you still have to eat, and you still have to shell out $15-50 for your ticket (depending on the band), PLUS all the extra fees ticket master charges per ticket (usually $10-20).
Book hotels early, leave LA early, rejoice that water is still only $2 a bottle and Coachella is still the best thing about the month of April.
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Wah!
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Don't blame a great festival for your lack of common sense. Plenty of info is widely available so you could have prepared for every single one of your complaints. You actually made your cost/benefit ratio worse by bailing out of Sat & Sun but I wouldn't expect you to get that kind of arguement. Before you brag about your number of "stories" and put down other solid sites and publications, you should take a look at the individual quality of what you are posting compared to those outlets. Just stringing together a bunch of YouTube clips is not a "story".
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i echo #7. the festival has been on the same weekend for the past i don't know how many years. if you book a hotel the second the dates are released, you'll stay wherever you want for uninflated rates. it's what i do every year. travelodge baby - $89/night. and you don't even have to pay until you get there, so you can always cancel without cost. and as for the food prices, it's no different than any entertainment venue - honestly. ever been to staples center or dodger stadium? i think you're right in one thing though, maybe you're just getting too old. i've been 7 of 8 years, am 33, and went all 3 days this past weekend WITH A BROKEN FOOT AND ON CRUTCHES. so really, suck it up.
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jen,
its "stupid" to think that it will take less than 6 hours to drive 132 miles? maybe in your world, but on the rest of the planet that sort of commute is unacceptable and deserves to be called out.
as for camping parking, yes you can park next to the campground on day 1 but if you ever need to go out for more supplies, water, soap, etc, and move your car you dont get to go back and park it where you first were. i saw more than a few people huffing through the dust with hands filled with bags and suitcases and bottles of water trecking from parking lot 5 to the campground, and that was just on friday, so no not all campers had it so easy.
and kir,
perhaps your Travelocity skills are more refined than mine because i was on that site, and Hotels.com, and on Best Western.com every week for a month in hopes of a sub $300/night room. no dice. which is one reason people were selling reservations to places like Motel 6 on eBay for $100+ simply for the right to pay close to $100 a night, those auctions went along smoothly for the entire month because there were no rooms.
i have no reason to exaggerate about my findings.
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Wow. I'm glad that I didn't try to go, sounds like it must've been miserable.
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Unfortunately, predictable. %640 + lodging, food, booze = around $1500. I am seriously not sure who can afford this. Bulletproof line-up? I am there. This year the line-up was mediocre at best and made this festival not quite worth the hassle, and having been to Coachella 4 times prior, I can say that Coachella is indeed a hassle, at the very best. ©
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Tony, I'm a college kid who has lived in the L.A. area for a whopping nine months or so. I am by no means "filthy rich." I started reading LAist when I came here because I felt like it would help me figure out how to have fun in a new city. At the risk of sounding like an upstart, I'm going to try and make some points here.
I anticipated the traffic better than you did. I left around 10 and was parked and waiting in the security line by 2:30, just in time for The Fratellis.
I put my booze of choice in multiple hip flasks and hid them in my backpack under some water bottles. Security did not look twice. I guess it's more of a problem if you drink beer instead of the hard stuff, but aren't you supposed to be a heavy drinker with a high tolerance? For what it's worth, I also taped a spliff to my chest and survived.
For $7, I got a decent cheesesteak that rivals some I've had back East. It was a meal, not a snack. I understand that I don't dine in the city all the time and therefore have a less refined taste than you do, but come on. I also felt like I was enjoying the music enough not to whine about a few dollars. Remember, my spare cash adds up to about $400 per semester. Don't you have a real job or something?
My real point here is that you live in a city where everything is overpriced and traffic and parking are always hellish; why are you all of a sudden taking issue with it?
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because the purpose of this blog, and one of the secret little goals of living here for a while is learning how not to spend an arm and a leg on things, how not to get stuck in traffic, and how not have to deal with walking miles from your parking spot. we'll leave that to the college kids from back east.
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These festivals east of Los Angeles in the desert or some arid part of Southern California are useless. My only experience was with Audiotistic at the Orange Show in San Bernardino.
The drive wasn't bad. THE VENUE is what did it. I'm sure many of you know but it's a 12 hour event. The Orange Show is a bunch of asphalt, NOWHERE to sit, barely any grass, and the most horrid food offerings I can imagine. Around 6 o'clock when it came time to eat, I stood in line for over an hour for some rubber-like noodle dish which was exorbitantly prived, of course. I'd never been so happy to dine at a Denny's, as we did after the concert.
Sure, the acts were great, loved seeing Blackalicious and OutKast but kir is right - there is no point putting yourself through that hell when you can just go to a show in L.A. and be much closer to the performers.
Also, if you're looking for a multi-day festival that is actually enjoyable, check out the Long Beach Blues Festival. That thing is awesome. It's on a grassy field at CSULB, some of the greatest blues acts around today (I've seen John Lee Hooker, Buddy Guy, the Yardbirds, Eric Clapton, Charlie Musselwhite, Taj Mahal, Bo Diddley, the Allman Brothers) awesome food which tastes great, ample bathrooms, good crowd and an all around good time.
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I went, and had a fantastic time. I had a veggie burrito for $4, and other tasty treats for reasonable prices. You didn't look hard enough. As for the lodging, try condo or vacation home rentals. Get a few people together and you can stay for a third of the price of a hotel, and in higher quality dwellings.
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I have always wanted to check out coachella since they bring in some good acts. This year I finally did and it was fun at best. But what could make it better would be a few minor changes from the promoter. FIRST, its friggin' hot! I would be able to enjoy the music better if i didn't have to conserve my energy to keep from passing out. I know you cant control the weather but you can change the dates. Move the dates up the calendar. I am sure its not 100 degrees in early april. SECOND, Super strict entrance rules. No ins and outs- so you cant have a bologna sandwich and an orange slice at your car. You have to by carnival food for 8-25 dollars. I can understand no acohol- but no outside food and water? You can't bring water when its 100 out? You can't bring an umbrella in but they sell them inside? That's slimy! THIRD, Merch mark-up. Shirts are 25-35 dollars?! I wish I had the power to use violent projectile vomit on comand. It would have come in handy. Most decent bands sell shirts for 10 dollars at shows if they are not greedy pigs/bigtime rockstars. If I see a touring band in a local LA venue it's 10 and at coachell its three times more? What's up? I would like to find out how this is negociated with the bands. It sounds like sharecropping. I'm sorry, I won't buy a one-color printed band shirt that costs 85 cents to make for 25 plus. Most of them are not even new or exclusive designs. I wasn't trying to be cheap at the show. I just didn't want to put my money into their pockets. They just want to shake you down every chance they get. Is coachella an artsy, new-age-y experience? not really. Most likely I will not return. Now that I know what its like. Unless they have a huge trip-hop resurection. Or a real resurection.
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Tony, why do you keep attacking people for simply making you aware of the mistakes you made planning your Coachella trip?
1) Leave early: Just went Saturday so I left Silverlake at 9:30. No traffic at all. Parked in lot 2 right next to the exit (easy to get out after the show). Relatively short walk to the venue (my pat down was equivelent to the pat down at the El Rey or Fonda). Stopped to "scalp" a ticket for $80 (my friend got a Friday for $10). Was inside by 12:30.
2) Food/Water: There were a ton of options for $8 or less. And as many people of mentioned, the prices are equal if not lower than those of dining at other entertainment venues. $2 for water is reasonable. I bought a bottle and filled it for free at the water station throughout the day. Plus they had the exchange 10 empty bottles for a free bottle program that a lot of people seemed to be doing.
3) The Heat: We know. It's hot. Stay in the shade when you can or hang out in the air conditioned movie tent or the KROQ tent. Once the sun goes down, you can enjoy several hours of ideal weather.
4) Lodging: stayed with two others at the Vagabond Inn with two in Palm Springs Saturday night for $99. Booked a few months in advance when there were many options in that price range. Again, as someone mentioned, book a room as soon as you possibly can because you can always cancel. And if you're forced to pay $300, share a room with four people, or, as I did the previous two years, load up on Red Bull and drive back to LA after the show.
With gas/food/lodging/ticket I spent less than $150 and saw a ton of fantastic bands.
I understand festivals aren't for everyone, but for those of us who do enjoy them, Coachella can certainly be an amazing, more or less hassle-free experience.
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"the purpose of this blog, and one of the secret little goals of living here for a while is learning how not to spend an arm and a leg on things, how not to get stuck in traffic, and how not have to deal with walking miles from your parking spot."
That's just the point, Tony. I didn't have to do any of that. You did.
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Festivals are great when you are young and get high and can make out with new, exciting people. You don't care about camping on the floor when you are a 22-year-old with a boner and a hot chick.
For the grown-up concert-goer, it's about money, pre-planning, pacing yourself and access. Call a Hot Springs at least 20 minutes away 4 months ahead of time for 120 bucks a night.
Pick one day that is the best day of the show. Only go for one day. Do whatever you can to get a VIP pass or backstage pass. Pay for that VIP tent. Kill someone in the bathroom and take their wristband. When you are older, you need to stay out of the sun. That big, dusty, shadeless expanse sucks ass. Backstage is nice, with big Winnebagos and even masseuses. It is a different world.
Then do like I did last time - lie and tell a security guard that you are in Sonic Youth and you need a golf cart ride to your car.
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tony,
as for camping parking, yes you can park next to the campground on day 1 but if you ever need to go out for more supplies, water, soap, etc, and move your car you dont get to go back and park it where you first were. i saw more than a few people huffing through the dust with hands filled with bags and suitcases and bottles of water trecking from parking lot 5 to the campground, and that was just on friday, so no not all campers had it so easy.
this is completely untrue. are you just making these things up? did you actually see this happening? many of my friends at my campsite arrived friday, saturday and sunday and ALL got parking in lot 3 right next to the campsite. and some of them went out to ralphs a mile away to get more water and came back and re-parked right in the same lot. some were even closer than where they first parked. perhaps you saw someone huffing it from another lot, but that cannot be a generalization since i knew at least 10 people who did NOT have to do that.
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Tony,
I have gone to this festival every year and I haven't experienced much of the 'problems' you are complaining about. What's more, I was hard up for cash (even unemployed once) for every year except this year.
I know you half blame yourself for not leaving earlier on Friday, but you really shouldn't have thought it would only take you 4 hrs to make it to the desert from LA. Since my parents live right next to Indio, I know that on ANY Friday night it takes at least 3 hours to drive to the desert from LA. The worst traffic occurs in Pamona and throughout San Bernadino. During peak holiday weekends like Thanksgiving and Labor Day it can easily take 4-5 hours. Now, add to the fact that as you get closer to the desert most people will be going to the EXACT SAME PLACE AS YOU, then the congestion can get really bad once you get close to the freeway off-ramp and make your way into Indio. This really isn't hard to figure out.
As for your issue with food, others have pointed out better/healthier/cheaper options that cost way less than your pizza. Also, it is pretty easy to sneak food inside. I saw people eating homemade sandwiches and I always bring trail mix and Cliff bars so that I can save on food money.
I think your problem with hotel prices has to do with where you are searching. My friends came from Sacramento and stayed at the Travelodge for $89/night. The key is to ignore hotels in Indio, La Quinta and Palm Desert because they are so close to the festival that they have the most incentive to overcharge. Hotels in Palm Springs are usually cheaper (if you book in advance) and only about 15 miles from the festival grounds. Since Palm Springs is the normal tourist area and late April is the beginning of the slow season, they need to keep their rates low to attract normal tourists. My out of town friends have ALWAYS booked in Palm Springs and never payed over $120/night.
I will agree with you that parking could be done better, but this varies from year to year. Last year parking went more smoothly than this year. I think there were less people working the lots than last year. The key is to show up before the late afternoon because the later you show up the further away you will park. Just plan accordingly.
I know festivals of Coachella's magnitude arent for everyone, but I think most of your gripes are the result of your poor planning rather than with the festival itself. If you still think it isn't worth it, than to each his own. I just think you shouldn't complain as if it is Goldenvoice's fault.
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As a slightly hip, but still local to the Coachella Valley magazine, we'd like to point out that we warned everyone about every point you made in your article ahead of time, but our readership is abyssmally low so it did no good. It's two days after the festival, I'm sitting about one mile from the Polo Fields and it's about eighty-five degrees and slightly overcast, breezy and cool. A week earlier, or two days later and the festival wouldn't be triple digits. April is prone to heat waves but no one thinks to ask us locals ahead of time.
Thank you LAist, your food picks ensured that not a single concert goer could be found in the good places to eat. Don't bother to ask the locals on this one, our valley is a resort and full of tourists and we always lie.
This is by far the best Coachella article to date. We survived the hipsters. Next up is the Rednecks. Wish us luck!
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I've only been to coachella this once. But I had a sidestage pass which allowed me to like... hang with CSS and others. And... got me to the side of the stage when sonic youth was on which basically made the entire fest.
There were crazy accidents on the 10 I guess. Friends of mine who were bringing gear for peaches almost got there late.
I luckily had some friends who'd already booked a motel in palm springs and splitting it wasn't too bad. Food... well... I just went for eating very little, but there was some indian stuff for like $5 a bowl, which wasn't too exorbitant.
So yeah, if you have a special bracelet it's super fun. I'm just sad I bought tickets in advance, since there were a good number of below list ones being scalped (not to mention the fact that my friends could've gotten me in)
On the bad side, I did get searched and they threw away a really nice pen of mine. Writing on the tents was ruining the coachella experience I guess.
My only suggestions are... get a backstage pass from someone, and hang out there because you can move around way easier between stages and get more shade. And see silly stuff like this:
flickr.com/photos/rseymour/480598225/
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How about waiting in the hot freaking sun for 4 hours (waiting from noon) to collect my $287 tickets at Will Call on Friday? That was the beginning of my crappy ass Coachella experience.